Adventist Churches WEEPING FOR TAMMUZ Celebrating 40 Days Lent, Honor goddess ISHTAR & Catholic Logo - YouTube 0:00 / 1:17:45 Adventist Churches WEEPING FOR TAMMUZ Celebrating 40. Ezek. What may have been the 828-834 (this is an incredibly pricey book, but Van der Toorn, Ph.D. is THE man when it comes to this stuff), Nimrod Before and After the Bible, Van der Toorn, HTR 83:1(1990) pp 1-29, A Dictionary of Ancient Near Eastern Mythology, Gwendolyn Leick, Ph.D. Assyriology pp 31-36, 86-93, The Ancient Near East: An Anthology of Texts and Pictures, James B Pritchard, Ed (all of Pritchards books have impressive pedigrees, and this one is no different being the work of seventeen serious ANE scholars) pp 77-82, 404-8 (among others, there is a wealth of information about Inanna/Ishtar), The IVP Bible Background Commentary, John Walton (Ph.D. an expert in Ancient Near Eastern world) et al. Ancient peoples did not seek out scientific reasons for why the universe functioned, they assumed and promoted supernatural reasons; this is why much of the Hebrew scriptures are written in what appears to be poetic language about concepts like the pillars of the earth, especially Job. in dealing with ancient scripture) but I didn't find any contradictory information, so went with the source I felt covered it well and in brevity. Your email address will not be published. The Roman calendar is based on fixing the date of the holiday of Easter and not Gods Feast Day of Passover. Philo of Byblos (first and second century BCE) translated his works, and so we have some of them still today. Such a Lent of forty days, 'in the spring of the year,' isnt mourning her. 540 "For we have not a high priest who is unable to Did he have anything to do with the image of jealousy? Probably not. United States: Zondervan, 2009. (The New Question Box - Catholic Life for the Nineties, copyright 1988 by John J. Dietzen, M.A., S.T.L., ISBN 0-940518-01-5 (paperback), published by Guildhall Publishers, Peoria Illinois, 61651., page 554. We live in an age of information and it is difficult to imagine someone getting away with it for so long but truthfully few would have had access to his quoted sources. Nimrod then gave Abram many presents and sent him back to his fathers house. causing everyone to be jealous, but no phallic symbol that is big enough to be seen from afar could seriously be expected to make anyone jealous, especially God. In general, however, it is true that many of them have at least Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. Tammuz was the son of Nimrod and Semiramis. So we can then wait for the first sliver of light of the moon in order to begin the Month of Aviv which usually ,but not always, coincides with the Gregorian calendar month of April. There was and is today nothing new under the sun neither the behavioir of people. unknown to the disciples and it did not find its way into the church Jeremiah 7:18-19 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods (on Easter), that they may provoke me to anger. It contains a synagogue, a church and a mosque. Is there any known 80-bit collision attack? p. 42, Note. What is the pecking order for modern-day ministers? It is observed as a time of penitence other The year was 339, and Athanasius was recently back from Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for professors, theologians, and those interested in exegetical analysis of biblical texts. "K 164 ('BA' 2, P. 635): New Light on the Mourning Rites for Dumuzi?" it was observed before the year 339. festivals amalgamated, and, by a complicated but skillful adjustment of Sumer was the first civilization of the ancient world, and Gilgamesh is mentioned as an early king of Sumer in the Sumerian king list. Very simplethe ancients noticed that there was a wet season where everything grew and flourished and a dry season where everything died off. Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience. That's where I saw women seated, weeping for Tammuz. which, in many countries, was considerably later than the Christian festival, I am a fifty-something-year-old Bible teacher, wife of twenty-eight years to Mark, and mom of adult twin sons. in the Search for Truth! all the world is fasting, we who are in Egypt should not become a laughing The House of Israel was given a bill of divorcement from Almighty God. All of a sudden (well not really all of a sudden, they took a long time to compile and translate the process is still ongoing) we had real-time information on gods and goddesses that we previously had only been able to make assumptions about based on medieval Jewish myths like, Tammuz is another one of these Sumerian gods who came to life again through the excavators shovel. ii. Easter, providing forty fast days when Sundays are excluded. He was the one responsible for building the tower of Babel and several other cities in Babylon (modern-day Iraq). is there such a thing as "right to be heard"? Browse other questions tagged, Start here for a quick overview of the site, Detailed answers to any questions you might have, Discuss the workings and policies of this site. Panati, copyright 1996, published by the Penguin Group, page 206. 2 Ki 23:13 And the high places that were before Jerusalem, which were on Terah then went to Nimrod and reported his sons irreverence towards the gods. Bringing an idol into His inner court and setting it up at the Shaar haKorban (the northern sacrifice gate) was tantamount to me taking a picture of another man I am sleeping with (this is just an example, I am not really doing this) and putting it on my husbands bedside table. When Nimrod turned twenty years old, he put on these garments and eventually became the ruler of the known world. Tammuz, the lover of your earliest youth, for him you have ordained lamentations year upon year You loved the colorful 'Little Shepherd' bird and then hit him, breaking his wing, so now he stands in the forest crying 'My Wing'!- Epic of Gilgamesh Tablet VI It's important here to support your assertions. Today, American history teaches us that both Christmas and Easter were dismissed as pagan holidays by the nations founding Puritans and did not begin to be observed widely in the United States until after the War Between the Two Nations. Its false prophets discarded the Old Testament, along with any uncomfortable passages in the New Testament. The best answers are voted up and rise to the top, Not the answer you're looking for? the significance of this period of spiritual preparation: each day has - Ezekiel 8:14 (New Revised Standard Version), In Mesopotamia, in the last three days of the month of Tammuz (June/July), there was a funerary ritual called exhibition, or exposition, during which an image of the dead god Tammuz was exhibited The Gilgamesh Epic mentions the annual rite that Ishtar ordained where the technical term for lamentation occurs: For Tammuz, the lover of your youth, thou hast ordained wailing year after year.- Voth, Steven M.., Walton, John H.., Ferris, Paul W. Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary: Ezekiel. Todays Christian leaders in the mainstream churches generally avoid topics like: As a result of the false shepherds, 99.999% of the people who attend todays Catholic and Protestant churches are ignorant of what the Bible teaches about the above topics. It only takes a minute to sign up. Why are they weeping? Over the next 200 years, most European nations adopted the Gregorian calendar. This is what the twenty-five men of Judah were doing when the worshipped the Sun in Jerusalem. Asaph was a musician in the Levitical priesthood of Israel. Either way, we have an idolatrous practice being carried on in the Temple on behalf of the undying Tammuz in the Underworld but not actually dead. The new Gregorian calendar added an extra day to February every four years, unless the year is divisible by 100. I, like most everyone else, decided that a Scottish Pastor couldnt possibly be fabricating evidence against the Catholic Church and misrepresenting his sources which is strange because my former area of study was the European Middle Ages and Renaissance a time of such vitriolic hatred between Catholic and Protestant that it still lingers even today in places like Ireland. From Ash Wednesday to Easter, many solemnly mark their foreheads with ash, "fasting" (or abstaining from certain foods or physical pleasures) for 40 days. (LogOut/ 1 (1992): 5367. Nimrod lived for 215 years when he was murdered, and Abraham lived for 175 years. Athanasius wrote. Here are some sources I've found regarding the weeping of tammuz but does anyone have some other sources regarding this practice? Start the service with an upbeat (mostly rock & roll) worship musical package. What is the best translation for in Ezekiel 19:14? When his father Cush died, Nimrod married his fathers wife, i.e. Tag! Tammuz. Welcome to Stack Exchange. Youre it. Joseph mourned the death of his father Jacob for a period of 40 days: Yeshua spent Pg. While Ezekiel was in Babylon, he was given some very disturbing visions that demonstrated to him what was occurring in Jerusalem. the 40 day period called Lent, then what is its origin? (More will be discussed on this topic on a future episode.) Copyright 1966, 1992 printing, page 139. the 40 days of fasting in the wilderness preceded the earthly ministry The giants were real and were a hybrid mixture of heavenly and earthly beings and were always the enemies of God and His people. Hi Tau, I'm just seeing your comment. All faiths bow at the altar of the Mystery Cults (i.e. This ritual commanded the people to fast and pray for Tammuz in the underworld. Lechten "Spring", 40 days of Lent before Easter, the Holy Day Edomite King Herod celebrated by attempting to kill Peter (Acts 2:4KJV). Women Weeping for Tammuz - Then he brought me to the entrance of the gate to the LORD's Temple, which faced the north. During Lent, for 40 days, excluding Sundays, fasting is recommended Posted by Tyler Dawn | Sep 17, 2015 | Biblical Context Studies, Challenging the "Everything is Pagan" Meme Culture | 4 |, Lent is based on Tammuz worship. Thats the claim lets test it against what is actually known and weigh the evidence. is there such a thing as "right to be heard"? Rehoboth, Akkad, and 3. About Catholicism But Perhaps Don't), by John Deedy, copyright Who was the Queen of Heaven and did she really dip eggs in the blood of infants? rebirth of the sun at the winter solstice (now Dec. 21, but Dec. 25 in FAT TUESDAY & ASH WEDNESDAY'S LENT (40 DAYS MOURNING - WEEPING FOR TAMMUZ ) While 40-day periods are common in scripture, search the scriptures diligently from the Old Testament to the New . things, to shake hands. Eventually Semiramis had her son , turned husband, killed in a boar hunt. The leaders made political alliances with other groups that got them involved in the religious and social practices of those groups. Genesis 10:15-19 with individual sons names from the Book of Jasher 7:13 The descendants of Canaan settled in the land which was named after their father (other groups in Canaan include the Hittites, Horites, Kadmonites, Kenites, Kenizzites, and Perizzites; some may have been offshoots of the other groups). Nineveh, Uruk, 2. In their minds, there was a god responsible for absolutely every function, and agriculture was a huge function. Then he asked me, "Do you see this, Son of Man? By the solemn forty days be solemnly kept before Easter. inviolate.". In Dumuzis Dream, an alternate version, His mother and sister, Sirtar and Gestinanna, go down to the underworld searching for him and weeping for him the entire time. We are glad you stopped by and hope you stick around. Then he brought me to the door of the gate of YHWHs house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Can state your sources, and perhaps quote them in your response? In the book of Jasher, it says that after the death of Methuselah, they were given to Noah who took the garments of skin and brought them into the ark. Although the psychological characteristics of the Nephilim are not specifically described in the Bible, they are generally pictured as being very proud, belligerent, sexually aggressive, and prone to conflict. Apparently Consider providing links or sources for others to be able to reference (something like. (LogOut/ Source: Facts, Myths & Maybes (Everything You Think You Know : Introduction, WHO IS THE BRIDE of the BRIDEGROOM? The results automatically determine their rank in the pecking order. reckon forty hours both of day and night to their fast." But I will also judge the nation whom they will serve, and afterward they will come out with many possessions. I can see that there are numerous complications in examining this passage-but the common theme appears to be a fertility/spring ritual cult, a vestige of the Caananite festivals. He would be in the underworld for six months. The two kingdoms becoming many nations after their captivity. So, in the years from 1620-1865, there was no widely celebrated holidays in the United States of Easter or the Mass of Christ until the end of the 1800s. Even worse, just after Hislop wrote his original pamphlets, cuneiform tablets started being dug up all through the Near East, in overwhelming numbers. Thus, you can say that Horus is another version of Tammuz. This implies that they didnt know that they were naked before this sin. Required fields are marked *, nine = .hide-if-no-js { Council does not very clearly appear, but for a considerable period after The entire period When she had the baby, she named him Tammuz. for all Catholics according to the laws of fast. Box 853 The Roman Catholic (Gregorian calendar) starts the days at the wrong time. commemoration of the death and resurrection of Tammuz -- which was copyright 1988 by John J. Dietzen, M.A., S.T.L., ISBN 0-940518-01-5 (paperback), Both Nimrod and Tammuz are said to have been born on December 25th. of the children of Ammon, did the king defile. period of fasting in the Roman Church before the sitting of the Nicene burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the What was not very obvious to me was how the other pagan holidays of Holy Week, Palm Sunday, Good Friday, and Easter, always managed to fall around the time of Passover. Can you still use Commanders Strike if the only attack available to forego is an attack against an ally? That is why the names of Nimrod and Baal, are different in the other nations. MIP Model with relaxed integer constraints takes longer to solve than normal model, why. The Gregorian calendar has one leap day every four years instead of leap months. :Introduction. The Catholic Fact Book, copyright 1986 by John Deedy, Lent and the Weeping For Tammuz. In Arbela, yet another (funerary) display was reserved for the 29th, which seems to have been the last day of the rite.- Scurlock, J. You're about to see even more detestable practices than these." Sun Worship in the Temple - Then he brought me to the inner court of the LORD's Temple. This is what the Israelite women were doing near the temple of God that was shown Ezekiel. I've heard that supposedly the weeping lasted for only a couple of days, while others say it lasted for the month named after him. He was not a god/deity though he was worshiped like one after his death. His lack of empathy for both mother and sister was pretty contemptible they should have left him down there. 4:2. Hundreds of people crowded to watch the son of Terah be burnt alive for disloyalty and disrespect towards the gods. Very simplethe ancients noticed that there was a wet season where everything grew and flourished and a dry season where everything died off. The final country to switch to the Gregorian calendar was Turkey, which finally adopted the calendar in 1927. "Signpost" puzzle from Tatham's collection. of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the So why the sudden interest? They are the same poems Solomon captured that people have in the bible and say its of the Almighty One. sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tested who have inherited it from their early masters, the Babylonians. But its from a god to a goddess that existed in those days. Now before I go any further, please note that before I actually started doing the ANE researchyears ago I was one of the people spreading the misinformation about Tammuz that originated in the 1850s in one pseudo-archaeological book by a man named Alexander Hislopupon which many other books were later based. 2 Ki 23:12 And the altars that were on the top of the upper chamber of Ahaz, which the kings of Judah had made, and the altars which Manasseh Therefore I also will act in fury. Lent was an My hand has now been forced by my need to clear my JSTOR bookshelf and so I need to do something with all these Tammuz articles. Irv, please put your meaty comments into your answer. She was a Babylonian princess who married an Assyrian King, and her story was later embellished by the Greeks. The last song should evoke strong emotion, not the typical hymns that evoked strong doctrine. Now there a lot of reasons that Christians and devout Catholics may explain why this is so. To keep the wrong infant murdered a secret, Abram was immediately taken and hidden in a cave. In Ezekiel 20:38 what does He mean by 'bring them out' and yet they 'shall not enter'? Cush married a woman named Semiramis and they had a son named Nimrod. You can also subscribe without commenting. worship. They were read by many of the early Christians. What does the word 'idols' mean in 1 John 5:21 and what exactly is idolatry? pp. Tammuz is sent unceremoniously down to the underworld by his angry wife (after being hunted down by demons), not actually dead but just consigned to live down there for six months out of every year. This mourning for Tammuz was celebrated in Babylonia by women on the 2nd day of the 4th month, which thus acquired the name of Tammuz (see CALENDAR). As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you will be buried at a good old age. Many religions are built upon the suppression of information. Moses pleads for Israel 40 days on Sinai: Deu 9:18-25, 10:10. Could it be an offering of water (tears) to the soil in the absence of the fertility that Tammuz brings? After Tammuzs death, his mother Semiramis, began a custom in Babylon called forty days of weeping for Tammuz (one day for each year of Tammuzs life). Did Abram survive several murderous attempts by Nimrod? lol, she was called the heavenly grape-vine but that is interesting, that the wife and sister have similar names and especially since Inanna had nothing to do with grape vines herself, but was the goddess of the storehouse in the earliest legends. as we are, yet without sinning" [Heb 4:15]. Comments are just for comments and may wind up being deleted. 2 Kings 23:4-14. hand. I honestly dont even know who came up with such an idea or why. common in scripture, however: It rained 40 days and nights: Gen 7:4, 12. They had no hope of salvation without the sacrifice and resurrection of their Messiah. Tammuz was an actual person. Learn more about Stack Overflow the company, and our products. Thanks for this article. Terah followed him there, and together they went to Haran in Mesopotamia. had builded for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Zidonians, and This unlawful son of Ham was cursed into slavery by Noah. Quin fue Tamz, por qu (y cundo) las mujeres lloraban por l? Why typically people don't use biases in attention mechanism? Interestingly, some historians have suggested that the Christian practice of observing Lenta period of forty days of prayer and penitence before Easterstems from the ancient forty-day mourning . The name of their son was Isaac. Any idol placed within the Temple grounds would have qualified as an image of jealousyit could have been a statue of Baal Hadad, the Canaanite storm god, or Asherah, a mother goddess who was sometimes worshipped as. The best answers are voted up and rise to the top, Not the answer you're looking for? Look at all the other foreign gods that are said to have been born on December 25th; the rebirth (reincarnation) of the sun: Horus, Osiris, Attis of Phygia, Buddha, Krishna, Zarathustra, Hercules, Mithra, Dionysus, Hermes, Adonis, Jesus the Christ, plus many others. through the final stages of his life on earth. nor will I have pity; and though they cry in My ears with a loud It was with the view, no doubt, of carrying Hi Irv, welcome to BH.SE, and thanks for your answer! King Nimrod himself had to admit that Abram had spoken the truth and that he was a man of God. and the Spring or Vernal equinox. Therefore thus says the YHWH ELOHIYM; Behold, my anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place.. that Council, we have distinct evidence that it did not exceed three weeks. pg. would seem to negate that theory. Would God ever require His people to break His food laws especially during one of the most important festivals of the year? meta.hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/735/, New blog post from our CEO Prashanth: Community is the future of AI, Improving the copy in the close modal and post notices - 2023 edition. Browse other questions tagged, Start here for a quick overview of the site, Detailed answers to any questions you might have, Discuss the workings and policies of this site. Why do Christians only give a little bit of credence to one of the Feast Days of God? apostolic institution, but the claim is doubtful. "Among the Pagans this Lent seems to have been an indispensible preliminary . . voice, I will not hear them. Ezekiel 8:17-18, Then He called out in my hearing with a loud voice, saying, Let When we automatically assume that the image was designed to make people jealous through sexual motifs, we are injecting a modern mindset into the mix. being observed in Palestine and Assyria in June, therefore called the 'month When a gnoll vampire assumes its hyena form, do its HP change? Only a small remnant would escape and Ezekiel cried out for mercy (9:1-8).Ezekiel saw first hand the secret sins of Jerusalem's leaders in the visions. the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the The reasons for celebrating our major feasts when we do are many and varied. Yes, the Bible does have many instances of the number 40, but nowhere explaining, promoting or commanding the observance of a 40 day festival. Stack Exchange network consists of 181 Q&A communities including Stack Overflow, the largest, most trusted online community for developers to learn, share their knowledge, and build their careers. in any way to his crucifixion or the Passover. So, while the House of Israel was in captivity, the House of Judah was acting worse than the Canaanites had done when they were living in their land. 1994 by the United States Catholic Conference, Inc., published by Liquori him told of his early death and of the descent of Istar, his bride, into The date of Athanasius' letter Here is a an additional source, covering most of the same information, but more recently printed, although not as plainly laid out. 4.. Resen. Kalneh. ), a deity worshipped both in Babylonia and in Phoeniciathe same as the Greek Adonis. This is the method for most Torah compliant believers and the method described in Numbers 9, Deuteronomy 16:1-6, and Leviticus 23:5-14. Does the Bible say that only a few find the narrow way? It should be noted that Those years do not have a leap year. When Gestinanna finds him, she nobly agrees to take his place in the underworld for six months out of every year. Did the drapes in old theatres actually say "ASBESTOS" on them? Can you still use Commanders Strike if the only attack available to forego is an attack against an ally? It would appear that the crying lasted some time after the initial event of Ezekiel 8:14 as noted below: And He said to me, Have you seen this, O son of man? Tammuz was mourned for 40 days each year, and the people would place the TAU symbol on their foreheads, and FAST in worship of him. Today in many cultures people make hot crossed buns. So, this is not a Biblical topic. He obviously must be gone and unable to perform his cosmic function. 24:1-2, "Again in the ninth year, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, ." Which month was the tenth month? (Lent). Your email address will not be published. Lord said to him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst He appears to have been a god of the spring, and the myth regarding him told of his early death and of the descent of Istar his bride into the underworld in search of him. There must be a reason. of Easter, but for at least three centuries there was no agreement over Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for professors, theologians, and those interested in exegetical analysis of biblical texts. For they have filled the land with violence; then they says YHWH: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces? Their languages all changed the pronunciation of his name. It was once claimed that the Lenten practice EDIT: If you are wondering where Lent might, in fact, have come from, check out this possibility. Noah's son Ham, had a son named Cush who married a woman named Semiramis. Different groups of Ezekiel saw 25 men, in a vision, between the porch and the altar, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun (Baal) toward the east. They are first mentioned in Genesis chapter 6 as the progeny of the sons of God and the daughters of men, verse four. What is the story behind mourning for Hadad-rimmon in Zechariah 12:11? The council of 70 if you will which Jesus spoke to in John 10:34, He quoted from this Psalm in pointing out the Sanhedrins' hypocrisy. American edition, 1959, published in America by Loizeaux Brothers, pages The second option is that they, as in other cultures, are sympathetically casting their tears upon the ground that has been cursed with no rain because Tammuz is in the underworld. After Tammuz's death, his mother Semiramis, began a custom in Babylon called "forty days of weeping for Tammuz" (one day for each year of Tammuz's life). Are the women weeping so as to ensure that Tammuz will return and bless the land again? Cush married a woman named Semiramis and they had five sons, Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah and Sabtecha. The biblical book of Ezekiel mentions, with great disapproval, an ancient Near Eastern ritual associated with the death of Ishtar's husband Tammuz. to observe a forty day period of fasting prior to Easter, indicating that As we see in this picture take by Matthew Vander Els in the Golan, it would be a terribly stressful time. When they lived there it was called the country of the Chaldea, which was in Mesopotamia, the land between the two rivers, i.e. Nevertheless, after she had the baby after Nimrod had died, she named her son Tammuz. The Liturgy of the Church reflects To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers. HE BUILT UP BABEL & NINEVEH. Nimrod was a powerful king. What were the garments of skin that God clothed them with?
