Even if a size was decided on, it often didn't remain consistent. The Micromasters are explicitly downsized Transformers, roughly the size of a human in the comics, meaning that they should have explicitly tiny vehicle modes which wouldn't make for very convincing disguises. For example, Optimus Prime can hold both Sam and Mikaela in one hand. Hasbro actually displayed mock-ups for an unproduced line of "military" Transformers in scale with Alternators during the BotCon 2007 Hasbro Tour; two of them recycled parts of Armada Unicron, and were thus Supreme-sized, which made said potential toyline not particularly commercially viable for Hasbro. The Autobots regroup followingUltra Magnus's arrival, whileSmokescreenrestores Optimus with theForge of Solus Prime. Transformers are currently formalised to a variety of size classes, which dictate the approximate cost and dimensions of a figure. That said, the Stunticon molds don't scale well with anyone else bar Groove, and Silverbolt remains tiny; seemingly the only character in-scale with his mold is maybe Sky Lynx. For example, Cosmos is much shorter than Blaster in robot form; yet Blaster easily fits within his spacecraft mode. Far worse is the other Diaclone combiner team, the Trainbots, who have train engine altmodes, yet their toys are among the smallest of the Diaclone releases. After Megatron's revival, Starscream flees after showing he is unable to prove his loyalty to theDecepticon leader. Likewise Dinobot is considerably larger than a real Velociraptor. Super-God Masterforce featured Pretenders who did not have outer shells but rather an ill-defined holistic transformation which explicitly involved size changing. Furthermore, only manifestations of him are seen (these vary in size), and his eyeball, which is in comparison to the Transformers about the size of a small town. On occasion, characters are shown explicitly changing size when forming a Combiner. The Generations update of Cybertron Metroplex in the Legacy toyline similarly accomplished broadly show accurate scaling with regular Deluxe and Voyager class figures by bumping him up a size class or three with a new Titan class toy. Some fans interpret the many otherwise-unexplained scale issues above to all be the result of size changing, but this is debatable. G1-era media also consistently depicts the members of the Special Teams as being about the same size as each other, even though the toys consistently had the leader be about twice the size of the limbs. Imagine him trying to devour a star the size of Betelgeuse! The biggest case by far is Unicron. The Micromasters are about the same height in robot mode, but they transform into equally tiny cars, trucks, planes, tanks, and other vehicles that should be vastly different sizes. And, sadly, the most show-accurate toy, Air Attack Optimus Primal, is a ginormous Supreme figure, towering over the other toys. In fact, Animated is one of those toylines where you're not quite sure who you're supposed to base correct scale on. If the buildings were in fact supposed to be skyscrapers (or even 2000 A.D.-style arcologies) sized for 10 m (30') robots, Cybertron would still be less than 150km (100 miles) across, far smaller than even the smallest known (or even physically possible) dwarf planets. There's also debate about whether Frenzy's head could compact itself into a slim mobile phone. Similarly, the Constructicons, despite also coming from the Diaclone line, are too small, in particular Long Haul, whose alternate mode is an "earth mover" type of dump truck, which are gigantic in real life. For example, Rumble and Frenzy vary in height relative to Soundwave. Definitely believe that Wheeljack is closer to their size, and Cliffjumper is as large, if not larger than Bumblebee. Welcome to Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki. Megatron is a Tyrannosaurus rex but is shown in "The Agenda (Part III)", as being much smaller than Optimus Prime. His Armada toy is notoriously covered in Mini-Con ports, despite the fact that Unicron's very nature as a character suggests that any Mini-Con large enough to Powerlinx with him would have to be about the size of Argentina. The toy line, on the other hand, mostly ignores those additional components, resulting in massive scale discrepancies (see above) - Long Haul, who forms Devastator's right leg, is a massive Caterpillar 773B mining dump truck, which should make him considerably larger than Rampage, a Caterpillar D9L bulldozer who forms the left leg. As with Transformers Universe MUX, the text of Transformers Wiki is available under the Creative Commons License. These scale problems are necessary to avoid misproportioned gestalt forms. Main article: List of Transformers: Prime Episodes. Notably, Optimus Prime gains an extra twelve feet when he wears a corpse. So, probably close to or at 40ft. Prime Spark). One possible reason for this is that one of them would be considerably smaller than the other one in real life if they were perfectly in scale. Unfortunately, for practical reasons this limited the choice of altmodes. Although this was intended to show that the planet was technological in nature, it makes little sense, as the structures would have to be the size of small nations to be visible. Saber is also correctly the height of the Autobot cars, resulting in him being smaller than the original toy (despite the Star Saber mode being bigger). All based on my head-canon of the G1 Cartoon From left to right, here are the crew members of Ark, minus rest of the Dinobots Optimus Prime-Freightliner Cab-over-engine Class 8 truck Bumblebee- Volkswagon Beetle Ultimately, Megatron manipulates the Autobots into destroying the project when he discoversPredakingis intelligent, and therefore a potential power rival. Scale in Transformers is, not to put too fine a point on it, screwed. Additionally, Fortress Maximus's main adversary Scorponok is considerably smaller as a toy. I found this scale chart of the various heights of Megatron on Deviantart; credits to KaijuATTACK877. Shatter and Dropkick were introduced as the first Triple Changers in the film franchise with two Earth-based vehicle forms (with Drift having a Cybertronian helicopter mode alongside his car mode). Any thoughts on how tall you think Megatron 2.0 is? Nevertheless, if one assumes that most vehicle altmodes are intended for human-sized passengers, comparing toys such as Chromedome with Lightspeed suggests the scale problem continues. The depiction of Unicron's scale in Armada was (debatably) a slight improvement, in that physical interaction with normal beings was not attempted. Likewise, Metroplex's internal workings are portrayed as much smaller than they'd realistically have to be. The Action Master vehicles were designed to take advantage of the fact that the Action Master figures were all the same size. They can each pilot each other's vehicles or ride as a passenger. Despite this, Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Bulkhead, Ratchet, Starscream, and Soundwave are the only characters from Transformers: Prime to make a comeback in this new show. In fact, they actually seem to increase their mass when changing from aerial vehicles into muscle cars. Animators and comic book artists received official scale guides showing relative and (in some cases) absolute heights. Ladies' Night It can even happen within the same issue without an artist change: In IDW's Spotlight: Soundwave, there's a scene where a human picks up Soundwave in his tape deck mode, which is smaller than a thick comic book slipcase in his hands. The final line in the trilogy, Kingdom introduced Beast Wars characters into the mix, which hoooo boy. Non-show characters such as Spinister used other media, namely IDW Publishing. The Combiner Wars releases of the classic crews made varying efforts to avoid this. Considering our ancestors really were smaller than modern humans, this is not extremely wrong, but it deserves noting. Further, Cheetor and Tigatron's toys use the same (Deluxe) mold, but Tigatron is a head taller in the show (both because tigers are larger than cheetahs, and because Cheetor is "a kid"). While the bug characters such as Waspinator and Inferno are obviously scaled-up, other characters are more subtly not quite the right size. The Autobots and Decepticons' struggle becomes a competition for Cybertronian artifacts strewn across the planet, which turn out to have been placed there byAlpha Trion, who foresaw the Autobots coming to Earth. In the Cybertron cartoon, the Recon Mini-Con Team have slightly-larger-than-human robot modes, but their alternate modes are large enough for a single human passenger, implying either a little size-changing or that their cockpits are kinda cramped. These changes in scale are usually attributed to size-changing by that portion of the fan base who like to find explanations for things. Now that big bad Megatron has returned to Earth, Team Prime prepares for an epic struggle to save the planet. In a related vein, sometimes Transformers are able to enter human buildings, fitting through their doors and running up their staircases without crashing through. Really teeny passengers (notable exceptions are Grindor (in his original body), Sureshock, and High Wire, who become small one-man conveyances). The Marvel Generation 1 comic sidestepped this issue by depicting Trypticon, Fortress Maximus, and Scorponok as merely "large-standard" characters. ), yet he's an ordinary-sized trooper in his robot form. Template:Tabview Optimus Prime is the main character of Transformers: Prime and the official leader of the Autobots during the war on Cybertron, as well as the leader of Team Prime. Broadside transforms from an Earth fighter jet of indeterminate model (let's pretend for the sake of argument that he's supposed to be an F-14 and say he's 18 meters (61 feet) long) into an entire aircraft carrier, approximately 333 meters (1,092 feet) long. Hasbro could have made Jazz smaller, but since the main limit for a size class is the weight of a toy, not its size (as long as it fits into the standardized packaging, that is), they decided that scale problems are more acceptable than selling a tiny Deluxe Class toy when there's still room in the budget for more plastic. However, Metroplex, during his one, brief appearance, was depicted as being immensely larger, crushing Quintesson attack cruisers under foot without batting an eyelid. Megatron, however, is a pitifully tiny specimen of a T. rex. Similarly, Silverbolt (a Concorde jet) is dramatically undersized compared to his fighter-jet Aerialbot teammates. Bulkhead is slightly shorter than Breakdown. In the case of the Headmaster figures, the Headmasters set a rather consistent scale to their toys, but one that raises a lot of questions. In the case of Blackout, his huge alternate mode simply results in a hulking, towering robot mode. Scout Class, at US$8. share. A cast that couldn't enter buildings would be grossly inconvenient for telling some stories, so the animators fudge things. Here is a list of said sizes. Then again, the vehicles pose even more problems: Prowl, who still sports car kibble, rides a motorcycle, Wheeljack (who used to transform into a car himself) drives a sports car, and Optimus Prime steers a massive 18-wheeler truck, despite his own chest still being the front end of a truck cab. It can also be supposed that they are hiding their mass somewhere (car style Transformers storing mass in their passenger compartments when in humanoid form, Starscream folding his wings flat, the buildings in a Titan collapsing to eliminate the spaces normally occupied by humans, boat-bots filling up or getting rid of the vast empty areas used to provide buoyancy) or puffing up with empty space, but at a certain point, things just get silly. Cassette characters such as Rumble's toys are roughly the same height as most Minibots, while in the show they are usually portrayed as human-sized. The "disguise" aspect of this was later explained by having Landmine and Cloudburst encounter giant, transformer-sized humanoids on an alien planet which made them appear to be of a "normal" scale. Fortress Maximus suffered a similar problem, shrinking in size even though he was explicitly rebuilt to be twice as tall as the average Transformer. By using information fromVector Sigmadownloaded to theKey, Jack restores Optimus's memory. heightchart transformersprime Pretty self-explanatory here. (Consisted of two Toys "R" Us exclusive Cybertron redecoes.) Since when were the kids as small as tires? There is also a great deal of praise given to the serious, more mature storytelling ofPrimethat had not been attempted in Transformers media sinceBeast Machines. Devastator in the Season One scale guide was approximately 2.5 times the height of Optimus Prime, but by Season Two he was somewhat less than twice Prime's height. In the U.S. toy commercials, Grimlock, Bumblebee, and Jazz in their new Pretender forms were small enough to fit in Powermaster Optimus Prime's hand. Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Kirk Van Wormer, storyboard art for "Nemesis Prime". Fan Art. Even if one character's a twenty-metre fighter jet and the other's a five-metre pickup truck. This Scale is not 100% considered accurate, but I tried my best, base on m Scale in G1 Transformers is inconsistent to put it mildly. The overwhelming majority of franchises, fictions, toylines, or other incarnations of Transformers simply don't present scale in a logical or believable fashion (there are, of course, a few rare exceptions, detailed below). Clearly, the pitiful humans at Hasbro are so overwhelmed by the awesomeness of Cybertronian life forms that they can't get the scale right. Over the course of the show's run-time, it won nine Daytime Emmy Awards, two CINE Awards and was nominated for several more, as well as consistently ranking as one of the Hub's most popular programs. Suffice to say, almost no fiction even begins to approximate the logical size of a true "city-bot". Starscream's robot mode is nearly as wide as it is tall, with shorter, digitigrade legs, so the massive jet-former won't end up twice as tall as Optimus. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. ). The most noticeable problem is Optimus Primal, who has an Ultra toy (the "level four" size, almost twice the size of the "level three" Mega next-largest Maximal toys), but is shorter than both Dinobot and Rhinox (both of whom are "level two" Deluxe sized toys). This page was last modified on 8 April 2023, at 23:14. Prime Arcee is about 15 feet tall if I recall correctly. Devastator in the Season One scale guide was approximately 2.5 times the height of Optimus Prime, but by Season Two he was somewhat less than twice Prime's height. The Autobots use the Omega Lock to restore Cybertron and settle back on their homeworld. Obviously I own nothing. At the time of Bumblebee, scaling concerns in relation between robot and vehicle modes were seemingly absent, at least in regards to airborne vehicles. In the second season, the show's aforementioned budget problems were the cause of some of the most common complaints: in addition to necessitatingtwoclip shows(an all-but-extinct concept in cartoons in the 2010s), the cashflow crisis caused several plot threads to suddenly be dropped or truncated in order to shrink the cast;BreakdownandAirachnidwere abruptly killed or written out (respectively) despite being a feature of active subplots in order to eliminate the cost of their celebrity voice actors, as were characters performed by actors that were not part of the "main" cast, likeSilas,Hardshell, andDreadwing. The rather Coruscant-like shots of Cybertron in Beast Machines may be less distinctive or "Cybertronian", but are far more believable (some people reason that the Transformers' advanced technology, along with their large size and their not needing to breathe, means that buildings actually CAN be that big). E.g., Optimus Prime is an extended-hood cab in order to have more mass with which to make a taller robot mode, although Age of Extinction would later give Prime his more classic flat-nosed truck mode without any notecable change of mass of his robot mode. Optimus Prime was the first Prime to raise his hand in greeting, uniting all the Primes and becoming their official mediator. It's not perfect but hey, what're you going to do? In recent years, Hasbro has actually started using the term "scale" in the context of their Transformers toys more frequently. Did Nucleon shrink the Transformers to human size, or are these just gargantuan vehicles? Super mode Powermaster Optimus Prime was originally about Fortress Maximus-sized, until he too shrunk to the size of his inner robotwhich was never seen again. are used in official product descriptions and press releases, and have since been adopted by the fandom. Transformers Prime Scale Chart + Screenshots I made a comparison for all the characters in Prime so far and their scale/heights. There is no explanation for any of this. Location: Michigan, USA Likes: +9,642 I saw this chart on a weibo page. Scale in Transformers is inconsistent to put it mildly. Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Jose Lopez, Character Design, Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Yasuhiro Motoda, Character Animator. If I asked myself this question, I'd say that Megatron is the same height as Predaking. Assuming that Unicron is generously close to the size of our moon, when compared to other stellar bodies he shows up as an all-but-invisible speck. Within the fandom, the show quickly won fans over, an impressive feat for the chronological successor to the widely lovedTransformers Animated. (NOTE: unfinalized models, scale may not be final), A much larger, black and white version of the the Decepticon scale chart, Autobot scale chart from the film's DVD(NOTE: uses concept art, scale may not be final), Decepticon scale chart from the film's DVD(NOTE: uses concept art, scale may not be final), Scale for Devastator and Constructicons(NOTE: uses concept art, scale may not be final), Blackarachnia scale references for season 1, Scale chart from Transformers Animated: How to Draw, Scale chart page published in The AllSpark Almanac II, Optimus Prime and Bumblebee scale within the game, Omega Supreme next to Optimus Prime and Bumblebee within the game, Trypticon and Omega Supreme to scale within the game, Character model size comparison for Bumblebee, Omega Supreme and Trypticon, "Epic height" scale chart from Activision, https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Scale_charts&oldid=1685585. Someone took these comparison charts, and took a scan with Silas standing next to Starscream to get his height, and then calculated all the rest. After the Decepticons kidnapRatchetto help in their plan, the Autobots assault theNemesisand capture the ship, killing Megatron before he can use the Omega Lock to cyberform Earth. Cookie Notice In fact when the Combaticons form him in Chapter X they are clearly swelling in size. hide. Instead, they're about the same size. However, the presence ofTransformerson Earth is not generally known among the civilian population. A vaguely similar explanation appeared in Dreamwave's More than Meets the Eye encyclopedia. The movie universe characters aren't immune to scale issues, either; the Dinobots are way out of proportion compared to their real-life counterparts; such as Strafe (who is far too big for a Pteranodon compared to his allies), and Scorn (who isn't quite as problematic; though a real Spinosaurus had shorter legs, making his proportions more of an issue than actual scale). However, the considerable and varied scale problems of Transformers still merit description. Within the animation, this causes problems with their Mini-Con partners, who are depicted as human-sized in robot mode by themselves, but when shown directly interacting with their larger partners, are scaled up right along with their partner resulting in some temporarily gigantic Mini-Cons! 1.2k. Here is the height chart for the leaders in "TRANSFORMERS: DIVISION". The height of the cartoon's Skyfire, just to name one, frequently varied between episodes. Most fans agree that one must either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to explain these problems and in the process fanwank themselves into oblivion. The characters with roleplay altmodes such as Generation 1 Megatron, Soundwave, Perceptor, or Armada Laserbeak are scaled to be real-world human-scale (well, kid-scale). In recent years, the "collector-aimed" mass-retail lines have made attempts to stick to an internally consistent scale (while still adhering to price points), largely based on the characters' robot mode depictions in media. From left to right, Here is the unofficial chart the Generation 1 Decepticons. Even a two mode toy can have this problem. A screenshot of both of them together could be available from Predatory. To start with, Cybertron was shown throughout Generation 1 with buildings visible from space. Spotlight: Soundwave. Attached Files: 806e6f7egw1dz78roflhfj.jpg File size: 112 KB Views: 35,272 WheelWave140, Nov 25, 2012 #162 However, thanks to the scaling up of the arthropod characters, it is relatively safe to assume that the Transformers generally scanned only animal forms and then rescaled them to fit their own size - additionally, they were not so much attempting to disguise themselves, as to protect themselves from an excess of Energon. For example, Movie Jazz's Pontiac Solstice alternate mode is a tiny car, and any size class that includes both him and Bumblebee (a Chevrolet Camaro) will result in scale problems between the toys. Triple Changers create a whole new set of problems. Terms like "Legends scale", "Deluxe scale", "Voyager scale", etc. That said, the show is notuniversallyloved, and not just becauseBumblebee was better when he could speak. Even worse, Hasbro Pulse refers to a figure's height measurements as "figure scale". Yet they were not immune to this problem. In the ensuing confrontation, Silas is fatally injured, forcing MECH to graft him into Breakdown. There's also Blackjack and Powerglide, both of whom are smaller than their teammates when the former should be the same size and the latter larger. The Animated franchise has its share of scale problems when comparing its toyline to the cartoon (not helped by multiple releases of some characters in different sizessee above), with several characters seeming roughly one size class too small, such as the Dinobots being a mix of one Voyager size and two Deluxes, Sentinel Prime looking rather diminutive as a Deluxe, and, most egregiously, Lugnut as a very squat Voyager who's shorter than even some Deluxes (as with Voyager-class Bulkhead, more of his mass went into his width, plus his weapon takes away some from his robot mode). The original G1 Optimus Prime toy also has scale issues. Since the size changing seen in the fiction is not possible for real toys (at least, that's what Takara wants us to think), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large robot modes. Omega Supreme, titanic in his original appearance, Command Performances! 5. So you were the guy who made this on /co/? Here it is: https://www.deviantart.com/kaijuattack877/art/Transformers-Evolution-Megatron-Size-Chart-742007022?comments_view=1, It does not include Transformers Prime Megatron 2.0. Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki is a FANDOM TV Community. For example, on the cover of the first issue of the original Transformers comics series, Optimus Prime is extremely huge compared to the highway, bridge, and normal cars (Laserbeak is bigger than usual, too). For this to work, either Blast Off has to shrink, or Swindle needs to grow. vehicles forms G1 (1984) - Freightliner cabover RID (2001) - Hino Brandlier fire engine Armada (2002) - Semi-truck Cybertron (2005) - Futuristic fire truck/aircraft Tranformers - DOTM (2007 -11) - 1997 Peterbilt 379 semi-truck (And they were never gonna make a properly screen-accurate-scale Scavenger, though a Commander Class figure was in the works, but was canned, bummer.). Despite transforming into a Lamborghini Aventador (a smallish vehicle at less than four feet in height and fifteen feet in length), Lockdown unfolds into a massive robot mode that stands at least 24 feet tall. For another example, the Marvel comics portrayed the Pretenders as literal interpretations of their toys: 60-foot humans with full-scale Transformers inside. Some versions of the Pretenders are shown to explicitly shrink when hiding in their human-sized outer shells. Characters from any continuity are welcome however must be restyled to match the TFPrime universe. The following year, the Generation-1-based War for Cybertron Trilogy continued the robot-mode scale trend, with the opening series Siege roughly scaling characters according to the original cartoon's animation models. That said, it does also mean that fans attempting to create "scale-accurate" collections do have more options: for instance, Starscream's releases at the Voyager pricepoint struggle to scale with the standard Deluxe-class cars, but his Leader-class incarnation is much closer. In the Aligned continuity, the Thirteenth Prime is better known as Optimus Prime, the current leader of the Autobots and protector of the universe. Cheetor and Tigatron are shown standing next to real members of their species, and they are both the same size as the animals in question. Skyquake is slightly taller than Prime. Likewise, the Beast Era Maximals and Predacons possess roughly human-size bodies; yet when portrayed as vehicles on Cybertron ("Dawn of Future's Past", the Vehicons in Beast Machines), they feature seats and cockpits that, at their size, should be basically useless. Scale in Transformers is screwed up beyond belief. Size of G1 Transformers vary between cartoon episodes or comics. I already modified it 6 different times based on some suggestions. Conversely, if a new toy based on such a character is designed to be more in scale with other toys, such as 2008 Universe Ultra Class Powerglide or 2010 Transformers Voyager Class Sea Spray, some fans complain because they expect those new toys to reflect the original toys' sizes and, by extension, the depiction in fiction. Combiner characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. In both cases, part of the gimmick is the interchangeability of their accessories, who represent whole characters in their own right, suggesting the toys are indeed meant to have some kind of scaling with each other. IDW's original continuity frequently took liberties with scale as well: notably, Cosmos is consistently drawn positively huge in robot mode when standing side by side with his fellow Autobots while appearing as a regular member of the (background) cast in More than Meets the Eye, but as soon as he transfers over into the sister title Robots in Disguise, his size is considerably scaled down a bit (although he's still a few heads taller than the average Autobot). The cast of Beast Wars were size-tweaked quite a bit, relative to the toyline. Transformers fiction commonly shrinks or inflates characters, relative to their toy sizes. The Deluxe Cheetor, on the other hand, was too small to match scales with most of the other toys (again, using the cartoon as a yardstick). Artistic license and animation errors are frequent in Transformers media, but the following are examples of intended scale for characters within the franchise. Another criticism had been made towards the lack of weight given to character deaths beyond Cliffjumper, usually resulting in anticlimax. The other explanation is that the artists hoped the audience wouldn't notice. Optimus Prime is also usually shown as only a head or so shorter than Magnus (if that), which gets very strange when you realize that a redeco of Prime's toy forms but a small part of Magnus' robot mode. Where would we keep it? Animated departs from this, where Decepticons are sometimes depicted larger than the Autobots to emphasize the rookie nature of the team handling imposing and dangerous enemies. As a side note, Unicron has been established in some continuities as having already devoured approximately 22.56% of known universes which is truly ridiculous if one takes actual planetary/galactic scale into consideration. Many of the wheeled vehicles are close to 1:35 scale, although Deluxe Class Jazz and Classic Camaro Bumblebee are obviously not the same scale, as noted above. While they're not shown next to humans in their jet and helicopter modes, their on-screen transformations do not indicate any notable size increase. The characters should be in scale with each other as they all have real-world alternate modes that (should) pass for real vehicles. Rodimus Prime and Ultra Magnus are usually shown to be of a fairly similar height (although Magnus is much bulkier), whereas there is a considerable difference between the size of their toys. Transformers: Prime is a multiple Daytime Emmy Award-winning CGI-animated television series that premiered on The Hub on November 26, 2010 with a five-part mini-series, which was followed by a full season beginning on February 11, 2011. "Giant" characters such as Omega Supreme are, even aside from any size changing for transport purposes, clearly not in the same scale in toy form as they are depicted on screen.
