I don't know what the comment above means when it says the CVR contained "the required information." Flight 2605's "hydraulic systems" - as far as this contributor is aware - are not discussed in any crash analysis or publication. Crew fatigue is believe to have been a contributing cause. then realised rather late tht they were now on the ILS path so this must be 23L - wrong runway - and they better go around. A United States federal law deregulated the airline industry in the United States in 1978, removing the federal government control over such areas as fares, routes, and market entry of new airlines, i.e the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978. Our large helicopter section. board. 1979 was the planes deadliest year. In less than 10 years Western Airlines would no longer exist. Pilot error but more directly false ILS signal phenomenon. Required to reach a conclusion? Ironically this hearsay reaches the same conclusion: the pilots were to blame. We'll just consider it a "personal best" for the airport. I have cleaned up the background. done flyin'." The ICAO report does not mention the ILS as any possible contributor. The separation also caused an electrical power failure, critically affecting cockpit indicators. Flight 2605 remains the deadliest air accident to have occurred in Mexico City. 28 Airport overviews from the air or ground, Tails and Winglets 20 % d'conomis par rapport l'achat spar des abonnements. Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft, Special Paint Schemes Western 2605 was a crash in Mexico City that killed 72 people. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I saw an article some time ago about this flight and there was reference to the captain not have too much confidence in the FO (who was German); so, there appears to have been some tension in the cockpit. (any of them?) The aircraft continued flying just clear of the ground near taxiway Alpha.". (Did they know where they were more specifically?) With the U.S. Air Force and The approach lights were disconnected the night of the accident, and they had been disconnected for several days prior to that." and our 9 seconds later the CVR ends, or at least what is available on youtube ends. A part of the CVR is widely available online. Following 2605's destruction, it was discovered the ILS system was indeed not acccurate at Mexico City, not because of moving construction equipment obviously, but just off and inaccurate by degrees. Airport overviews from the air or ground, Tails and Winglets comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment . Audio recording of Western Airlines Flight 2605 CVR. It was a DGAC (Mexican) investigation. This flight departed late in the evening and who knows how long the crew had been on duty or how much rest they had gotten, apparently not much. Why was the construction contractor permitted to have equipment all over (or along the side of) the runway with the ILS system? (Right?) Western Airlines Flight 2605 Crash With CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder). WA 2605, A 35 AOS DEL PEOR ACCIDENTE AREO EN LA CIUDAD DE MXICO Hopefully this accident is featured on one of the future Air Crash Investigation episodes on Discovery channel. The cause was due to ice formation on the wings. so they thought they were flying their cleared approach? Follow. - paragraph amended at 21:05, 30 December by 173.120.131.243 and 00:00, 31 December 2019 by 173.120.182.80 (unsigned contributions), Bordering on the fantastic Eduardo claims the Mexican police kidnapped him and were trying to force him to sign confessions or affidavits stating the pilots were drunk on liquor he had served them during the flight. No matter how cut throat, abusive, tyrannical or destructive corporations and finance would be to other aspects of flying the public had to be told the Government would never ever compromise on safety. I've compiled some thoughts that I've placed under yours that I've read from reports of the accidents, both FAA and ICAO. Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe, Classic Airliners Encore moins cher pour les -26 ans. Things moved very quickly. If such an experienced pilot can become the victim of such circumstances, Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin, Night Photos Western Airlines Flight 2605 was an international scheduled passenger flight from Los Angeles, California, to Mexico City, Mexico. The plane then quickly hit the truck, the electric pole, the excavator cab and finally the building. The CVR recording has a violent crashing sound which could be the initial collision with the dump truck and immediately following this is pilot Charles Gilbert's exclamation of "Jesus . He was defending his company by blaming the pilots. Is it not discussed in the reliable sources? Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. According to the research done by Dr. Zeller and McNorton, at the This is presumably the point he is yelling "Jesus Christ!" I don't know how this can be verified but perhaps it is correct. Western Airlines Flight 2605 Crash With CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder). 68 people died in that crash. This thread is the most recent on Western 2605 on this website, so I thought I would add to it from here so that others might follow a google link and learn something as I have about this crash. Western Airlines immediately lost a number of hubs following deregulation, only to retain Salt Lake City and Los Angeles. Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior, Cargo Aircraft One of my concerns with the article prior to the 12/4 revision is that it stated Gilbert saw the truck and then said "Jesus Christ!". Views from inside the cockpit, Aircraft Cabins If anyone is familiar with this accident, you'll understand why I'm so curious about it. You can also try to find a copy of David Grayson '"Terror in the Skies", published by W.H.Allen (London, England, 1989), which has a chapter dealing with that particular accident. Pictures of great freighter aircraft, Government Aircraft I'd like to reply to yours as well. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. - paragraph added at 23:02 + amended at 23:09, 30 November (unsigned contributions) by 173.153.180.238 and at 01:17, 1 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.15.41, Engine power indications were virtually unchanged until about 9 seconds For more information, please see our This wreckage continued aft, tearing away all Altitude callouts were required and may not have been done, but the ILS wasn't known to be giving erroneous readings but the plane 'half-landed',straight in to 23L, no flare, and half in the grass. Browse more videos. percent. The plane landed in the shoulder in the wrong runway, without tower clearance, after at what was at best a shoddy approach, collided with a big, heavy truck and we know the rest. the flight path in reaction to the unstable localizer course." Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. Flight 2605 remains the deadliest air accident to have occurred in Mexico City. $73. The plane is surrounded by heavy, dense fog and other than this view into the cockpit there is no visibility. There's no evidence any of the pilots were disciplined by Western Airlines. I'd like to reply to yours as well. The following excerpt discusses flight 2605 as well as three other accidents that for purposes here aren't identified. Western Airlines Flight 2605 was an international scheduled passenger flight from Los Angeles to Mexico City. BY AR385 - Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:03 am - Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:03 am #10741679. This contributor has read transcripts that start at and include the first signifigant contacts in Mexican airspace but I do not have access to the entire CVR which presumably is near 3 hours in length. This page was generated at 03:03. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westernes_Flight_2605, http://aviation-safety.net/database/?id=19791031-0, http://books.google.com/books?id=8BVpage&q&f=false, http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fod.main/130485/, http://tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/program.pl?ID=57025, http://web.archive.org/web/200910220/blackbox.html, http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/-tapes-cd.html, http://www.taxiways.de/DC-10/accident/N903WA.html, If this is your first visit, be sure to . Directives, training have addressed problems over the years so a conclusion that can be assumed is "safety has improved" in this regard. Bingo. It is like this crash never happened. A friend of the Western Airlines DC-I0 captain had Props and jets from the good old days, Flight Decks Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries, Airport Overviews In addition, he was having enough of a problem The Originals Boutique, Htel Les Trois Roses, Grenoble Meyla. The plane just went all the way through to the closed runway. 7 years ago (WARNING, DISTURBING) Western Airlines Flight 2605 CVR Recording October 31, 1979. Our guests praise the breakfast and the helpful staff in . Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:186:4500:26FF:C1E0:69E9:B72B:2DC8 (talk) 01:08, 3 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply], 'Your other left stupid.' You also acknowledge that this forum may be hosted outside your country and you consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the country where this forum is hosted. or profound horror - perhaps with a terrible awareness of the fate of the plane. Western Airlines 2605 is a crash that sticks out in my mind as one of the most mysterious accidents of all time, as comparatively little about the accident itself has been released to the public. So the Government was clearly crashing its own credibility by the 1980s. We'll just consider it a "personal best" for the airport. The CVR recording has a violent crashing sound which could be the initial collision with the dump truck and immediately following this is pilot Charles Gilbert's exclamation of "Jesus Christ" and a complete change of intensity in the cockpit. (Ironically the poorly designed cargo door was not immediately changed.). Moderators: richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR, Military Aircraft What happened was it was 3am, they were all half asleep on the job and descended into the ground, and one main gear happened to come into contact with a closed runway. " The CVR was damaged, see below. He discredits ALPAs conclusions. that just after Reichel's calm call to go around the aircraft collided with the dump truck. Yet the idea that some pettiness contributed to the disaster continues to appear from time to time. AR385. them replaced. They will have been expecting something like 2-3 miles visibility (per the 05:00 weather report).
